"I can imagine." Vividly, now that she's seen it for herself. "Yeah, I mean, I thought about things like climate change, but honestly the main thing was just I had a pretty visceral feeling about it from pretty young. Pregnancy for sure, no thanks. And like ... I love individual kids, and did even before I knew my nieces and nephews, but I just see an infant and can't help thinking how fragile they are, you know? Even in a place as relatively safe as the one I come from."

Much less in a place like this.

"My sisters and I, most of us can't get pregnant. Only two exceptions that I know of; the third sister I mentioned with kids, she adopted. And I know it's been tough, for a lot of them, but when I found out I was a little bit relieved, even if I was pissed that someone had been tinkering with my biology that way."