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WHO: Iorveth, Thranduil and Gwen
WHAT: Arguing, naked people
WHEN: Directly after this.
WHERE: The Gallows, Thranduil's office
NOTES: Bad words and life choices, also Gwen's boobs.
WHAT: Arguing, naked people
WHEN: Directly after this.
WHERE: The Gallows, Thranduil's office
NOTES: Bad words and life choices, also Gwen's boobs.
[ Thankfully, no Templars get in Iorveth's face on the way to Thranduil's office, and he makes it to the door with no blood on his hands. However, he's no less enraged, paranoid, and ready to bolt from this shithole of a city, possibly without a left hand, thanks, Casimir.
Or possibly with all the left hands of all the Rifters. He really shouldn't have mentioned that part.
Shoving the door open, Iorveth marches in looking entirely like the officer that carved vengeance out of men's bodies, claimed trophies from human officers, and burned men alive. There hasn't yet really been cause for him to get so up in arms, until another set of foreign negotiations made rules over his will. It compounds - the thoughts he'd had in wondering what the consequences to telling the Inquisition 'no' would be, how long the Inquisition's insignia will keep him from being cornered into an alienage as well, all the people standing still while things something disgusting occurs and calling it civility, or politics.
It makes his skin crawl. So here he is, because Thranduil called, and somehow he has the respect to obey that when very few else would win it, but today that's been pushed too. ]
What?

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yet she is still a very light sleeper, and iorveth speaks so near her ears even that quiet. her stirring grumble is muffled into his collarbone, turning her head and not expecting the resistance where her hair is braided through thranduil's. what. it's too fucking early for this, iorveth. )
Is the idea hot tea, ( spoken mostly into the cotton of his shirt. she doesn't sound as if she thinks the idea is actually hot tea.
it sounds nice, though. she can hear hardie stirring on the other side of the door at the sounds of them doing so-
ah, that office will be locked. she should let him out. )
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his hand pats out for the pain, finds the entangled hair, and sinks his fingers into it, trying to find the end. hopefully there isn't a tie. ]
Iorveth, [ he says, and he tries to roll towards gwenaëlle, draping his arm over them both. ]
What is it, [ he asks, and assumes the answer is related to why he came here originally. last night-- he needs to begin making plans. myrobalan, he thinks, and beleth, for ashara. ]
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Sorry. [ tagged on as he combs out the rest of the kinks in their hair with his fingers, oops oops, sorry.
anyway, about that idea he had. he squirms some, trying to be able to look at people while he's talking to them, both of them, since gwen is awake now too, but that's apparently very difficult to manage while snuggled up, so he just looks... kind of weirdly squished and unsure where to be turning his face. uh, okay, yeah. revolution. ]
The Rifters in Thedas, our number is only around, what, 30? 40 at most? And those natives that have taken shards, like Gwenaëlle, how many are they combined? And such a thing cannot be produced on command, yes? [ an attempt to glance down at her, while maybe still trying to unwind the smaller braids in her hair. he fidgets when he's bored and thinking, okay, sue him. ] The mages have been pushing the same point over and over - that thousands have tried to rebel against this sort of policy over the years and simply been slaughtered for their efforts.
And yet, mages have thousands more to replace those. Rifters only appear when the rifts spit them out, and only how often? A month? Two months, perhaps? Giving a yield of, what, five to ten? And there's nothing else in Thedas that closes the rifts, save for the anchor shards, correct? [ honest questions. if they want to make this piece of potential leverage work for them, they need to do it just so. when waging a war of resources, it only succeeds when you entirely and completely blockade the enemy from their supply. starve them out. that's his angle here. ]
If we remove all Rifters from the Inquisition's grasp, and reach the next Rift that may bring more before the Inquisition, what choice do they have in the interim? Slaughter the lot of us rebelling and hope they last until the next month or so when more come in, assuming those new ones will be more cooperative than the last set? [ perhaps wait for the next announcement for a rift opening, send a group of their number with the team to bring back new rifters, and leave the others in kirkwall to carefully make their exodus in the interim. those at the new rift, take the opportunity to close the rift, then announce to the new rifters that going with the Inquisition will mean adhering to their policy of surrendering their blood to be tracked against their will. ] This all, of course, assuming the policy is passed.
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Solas tells them where the rifts will open, ( which seems like a detail with the potential to be very key.
solas likes thranduil well, and galadriel. if he were offered the chance to aid them, would he?
she wonders how much weight that affectionate bond might bear; surely enough. )
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[ and now, freed from the tangle of hair, he lifts his hand to reach for the crystal, where it rested for the evening on the bedside table. grimly: ] We may need to change our strategy. There was a great deal spoken about last night by fools—some of it even clever—but you do not tell your enemy what you intend to do so that they can arrange for countermeasures.
[ he is drawn to iorveth, but he and gwenaelle have an understanding, and a conversation to have before they pull him in completely. he fears it falling to the wayside in the middle of this storm, but he has always known how and what to prioritize. ]
I have a favor to ask of you, Iorveth.
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I didn't help much in that regard. [ by slamming onto Thranduil's post to say "we can leave and they can't do shit", purposefully left public, despite all the conversations he'd turned private on his own post, mostly because he wanted everyone who'd told them they were stuck that they were risking being shardless when the rifts came again. there's an implied apology in that as well. he's sometimes a bitter baby, leave him alone, at least he snuggled you??? ]
We have few choices that would guarantee safety from an all out slaughter, should we be declared too much a risk to let live. [ another thing he's very used to being a true and real threat. massacre, out of nowhere, with no good reason aside from 'it serves us better'. it's a concern, but he doesn't push it more than that, instead, lifting his head peer more directly at thranduil, a hand picking somewhat nervously at the seams of gwen's robe under his hand on her back. ]
I'll help in what way I can. What do you need?
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[ apology accepted, in other words. he needs to listen to whatever else went on once he was back in the room. doubtless there will be a good number of even more idiotic remarks to wade through, and he will curse out the good ones for being wasted. ]
We will have something for an emergency, should it comes to that, but there will be no return. For the rest of my life in Thedas- for the rest of our lives- we will be marked by it. [ which is not something he's opposed to. gwenaelle, though, he would not condemn her to that, and there will be no help from the dalish, which he might have on his own. he closes his fingers tight around the crystal ].
Redirect the most foolish ones. You are known already to be radical. The ones that you trust not to speak thoughtlessly, those you may assure that I have a plan. It will calm them.
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I'm going to speak with Araceli, ( on the subject of rifters who ought to be trusted not to speak thoughtlessly. more than most, in fact. ) Bonaventura. She's been here the longest and she's smarter than all of you,
( that's how it works when you're gross boys, sorry gross boys, )
I want to know where her mind is. Besides 'annoyed with everyone running their mouths'.
( she hasn't actually spoken to araceli yet, she just knows her. that gwenaëlle herself wasn't openly one of those people is somewhat due to the combined influences of 'what would thranduil and/or araceli think', even if it had been thranduil she'd been shrieking at under cover of privacy. )
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Regardless, these trifles aren't near so important as the threats the Rifters face now, so Iorveth gives a solemn nod. ]
I can do my best. Not all may listen, but I'll try.
[ people skills are not his forte, but rebellion is. Perhaps that'll serve him better in the end. As for Gwen's comment on shard-bearers: ]
I've not met her. But given I've no desire to be cursed at as I found you cursing your husband, I'll not argue your wisdom on the subject.
[ nurr hurr hurr ]
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thranduil's hand finds the curve of iorveth's waist, fingers brushing against bared skin. ]
It will be enough, I think, [ he says, slowly. ] I believe I will be able to unite enough of the Rifters to prevent tragedy, and the rest, well. Knives in the darkness will serve; all the elves will understand me enough that kinslaying will not be a risk.
[ to gwenaëlle: ] Please tell me Araceli's thoughts once you know them.
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I will, ( yawning, rolling her shoulders back. an exhale. she could make thranduil go and deal with hardie, but at this hour of the morning there's likely no one haunting these hallways and no one who'd be surprised to see her there, now de cedoux is absent along with what mages haunt her doorway. ) Don't kill anyone I like.
( that is an altogether entirely too off-hand remark. she bends to press a kiss to his forehead, then his mouth—doesn't linger at it as she might have done without company, this morning, but though it's brief it's not particularly chaste. a kiss that promises later, even as she's using the time to slip from the bed. )
Hardie's still locked in your office. Give me a moment to send him to bother some stablehands.
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they aren't high anymore. they aren't asleep (well, gwen's consciousness is debatable, but between him and thranduil more so). no one's having any great panicking crisis at the moment, and they two of them are still married. Gwen makes a momentary distraction by rising up and pressing her kiss to her husband, something Iorveth watches with interest and curiosity, before she toddles off to tend to her dog. once she's gone, it leaves them with no barrier to the space between them.
the arm Iorveth had been stroking through gwen's curls with is free now, and shifts, along the center front of thranduil's robe, fingertips lighting along the porcelain pale of his throat, and the sharpness of his jaw. His thumb eventually finds the curve of Thranduil's lower lip, tracing the outline of it, still warm from Gwen's kiss. He swallows, before asking quietly - ]
And this?
[ they've discussed what's to be done next on all their accounts for the phylacteries proposal. so now, how about this? it's clear he wants them, both of them, but the questions are, what is this, why are they doing it, how do they expect to, and why him, of all people? ]
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I believe, [ thranduil says, ] that we will be keeping you.
[ they will find a way. there are optics to think about, the mess of their own marriage to be revealed, a quiet moment of mourning for being unable to attend arlathven in light of his reordered priorities, a flight to organize realistically enough that it would be foolproof if it were actually needed.
but iorveth deserves the full of his attention and he gets it, thranduil's eyes intent on him. ]
If you wish to be kept.
[ and that will take getting used to, but they've dealt with an attempt on his life and oh, another person in the room would have made that easier. he gestures vaguely. ]
And there are cultural considerations. Those of my people.
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[ Iorveth repeats, not said disapprovingly, but also, not entirely certain what that implies, in its entirety. He can guess at enough, given the kissing, the naked cuddling, and intimate touching. Iorveth's mouth works a bit, trying to come up with things to say, and abandoning them halfway through. It's a rare thing, to see this man speechless. He's clearly not opposed to the idea, with this thumb trailing over Thranduil's jaw, idle movements while his mind works. ]
It's, um. Not a topic that's come up before. [ Not the notion of romantic involvement with a person, that has, and he's turned them gently down, but the notion of being something like a known mistress between a married couple. he's not sure if that's exactly what's meant, but anything beyond fuck-buddy status seems like a disaster waiting to happen. especially when the two of them seem so content with one another. (it doesn't help that this line of thought is accompanied by the mind theatre of acting on that fuck buddy status with both gwen and thranduil at once).
maybe all he means is an extra body, but instead of assuming that alone, Iorveth tries to carefully specify. ] Much as I enjoy the both of you, romantic commitment has not been my strong suit. Ever.
[ not a 'recently' or a 'out of practice'. just ever. he's slept around, had his fun, but relationships don't happen with him. if they're wanting him for more than an extra body for sex, he's likely to disappoint, or hurt. and yet, there's still that part of him that dreams of quiet homes and warm beds and another soul to curl up with. that part, though, will always be pushed to the back of his mind when the more important principles becoming pressing. if the two of them asked him to do something against his beliefs and values, there would be no question of which side he'd choose. Thranduil's only known him a few weeks, Gwen a few hours, and they haven't seen him skinning men, setting fires to tents, torturing mercilessly and slaughtering in droves. He's far from the kind of person built for domestic entanglements, attractive as the option, and the ones offering, are. ]
There's much neither of you know about me. I'd gladly share a bed, if the both of you wish it, but I'm not sure you'd want much more than that. If that's what's meant by 'keeping me'.
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( which might not be entirely true, considering all the other hurdles they had to traverse to reach the point with one another they (finally) have done, but is nevertheless far from insignificant. she comes back to the edge of the bed, sitting down with her knees folded easy to one side, shaking her hair out over her shoulder and dragging her fingers through the tousles and tangles of how they slept as she considers both of them, and this, and what to say. )
You don't have to...none of us, ( her glance at her husband affectionate, ) should be making any dramatic declarations of intent this morning. But maybe we could...
( something about being the sensible voice feels wrong. she trails off, half uncertain that she's doing it wrong. then, )
We could get to know one another. Court one another. We could maybe see if we might like to make some dramatic declarations, in the future. As prelude to some very athletic sexual congress, obviously.
( a meaningful raise of her eyebrows. you have no idea how flexible she is, iorveth. )
And, the other parts. The romantic parts. This part. ( where they share a bed, a morning, their early thoughts. )
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Court him, [ thranduil says, testing the idea. yes, he wants to court iorveth, see how (if) he settles between them, which thranduil finds he desires very much. and testing the idea is far, far better than winding the three of them together that going any further would entail.
he holds his hand out for gwenaëlle to catch in her own, and pulls her closer. yes, there she is. there they are.
to be very clear, and this he says to iorveth: ] My people do not do anything less than centuries. We would court you to have all three of us together for that long. Not as a [ he's reconsidering his earlier words in a disgusted horror. ] kept man. We will have time for coaxing out your secrets, and you will have ours.
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It isn't secrets that I mean. [ just plain and stark truths, that the entire Continent new about him before, and he wore proudly, literally badges on his gear as trophies. sighing, Iorveth pushes up to sit, because it's awkward to say things this seriously while snuggled up to someone's chest. ]
I'm called murderer and terrorist, in my land, in all of my land. I've slaughtered, and tortured, enough humans to fill a valley with corpses, and not all of them were soldiers on a battlefield. [ civilians. merchants, traders. villagers, with houses set to flame. after Cintra, and places like Drakenborg, he stopped caring about armed or unarmed. they were all monsters. and while there are reasons, he's never made a point to try making excuses of it. it is what it is. ] I regret none of it.
[ he's looked to Gwen a good part of it, because he knows Thranduil has seen wars, ought to understand the horror of them, but even still, there's something about living in a world where elves are as noble, respected and untouchable as Thranduil's that just doesn't compare to the sickening cruelty such hatred on both sides breeds. ] I don't mean to sound dramatic, just transparent. These are things people typically want to know about a person before attempting to trust them.
[ he'd rather not have affection in them bloom only to learn of what horrors he's happily committed, would gleefully do again, and feel betrayed by it. they're simple truths about him that will not go away, and will not change regardless of how happy this place might make him. ]
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You'll have plenty of voices telling you that it's me who shouldn't be trusted, ( after a moment, when it becomes clear that he's done. ) I can hardly condemn you for violence I'm well enough used to, ( and she's not inclined to, not bothered by the implications, not even in the ways perhaps she ought to be. )
I thought what I owed my mama was to be what they wanted me to be. And it was a...
( there's never an appropriate moment to complain about how hard it was. least of all now. she swallows that, as ever. )
I've not been any particular friend to elves. Pietro-
( maybe that story doesn't need to be told now, either. )
I don't know. It sounds as if you're exactly what you seem to be, I can't think it's a surprise. I lose my charm a bit, the more you know. ( frankly. )
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Have you harmed another elf in anything but self defense? [ he asks. ] Have you forced yourself upon another? Have you harmed children?
[ children, not elflings, so he means both. kinslaying, rape, harm of an innocent: these are the things he cannot abide, and he would dismiss iorveth now for any of them. there are other laws, customs to be spoken of later, but these are sacred above all others.
and, conveniently, the reasons he will never welcome maedhros with open arms. he failed twice. ]
I have lived through many kings, seen many lines of Men falter and others succeed. A clever tongue could accuse me of a great deal of sins in Thedas, let alone Arda. I have let you know my wife as just that, and you have not disappointed me so far.
[ a glance to gwenaelle, though. what is a pietro. ]
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Of the three total voices I trust in this realm, your husband makes up a third of them, and I trust his intuitions on character. [ The other two are Beleth and Six. He has concerns about others, Adalia too brash and passionate, Bronach too foreign, Kylo too... Kylo. But those two have proven wise, stable, intelligent and noble thus far. But even that doesn't really matter, Thranduil versus the word of others. It isn't how he manages things. ] I make no judgments without evidence.
[ Even with people like Letho, practically a stranger, accused of murdering Iorveth's second, but he made no move until he could confirm the truth of it. As for Thranduil's questions, he turns his eye to him, two of those questions easy, another... less so. ]
I don't rape, I don't kill children. [ But kinslaying? He so rarely feels like he needs self-defense from city elves, but they're such twisted, selfish, ugly things sometimes. he's met creatures calling themselves aen seidhe that would turn a scoia'tael in just for an extra loaf of bread. while he doesn't really target them, they've certainly been harmed because of him in the past. There's the elves that fired on them, at the bordered of Dol Blathanna, and Iorveth's never had any desire to replicate that kind of disgusting betrayal. ] The Aen Seidhe are complicated, on the Continent. One drags on the other, asking the young to lay down in puddles, paint battlefields with their blood, so they can crawl a little further along the gutters of human cities, or die peacefully in a valley of flowers. I no longer protect those that have proven unworthy of my comrades' lives.
[ he has no intention of lying to thranduil or trying to convince him he's better than he is, so it's important to note what harm he has and hasn't done. let him decide where it ought to fall with his principles. ] I won't expend myself or my men for elves unwilling to do the same for them, nor will I concern myself with casualties they suffer due to human reactions to my people doing what's right. But no, I don't hunt them without provocation.
[ he can say that, at least. if they stay out of the way, they won't come under his fire. ]
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it's her own hands that have slowed her, for reasons she knows but can't quite explain without shame. embarrassment as much as anything has driven her unwillingness to take the steps that would have prevented coupe's tutelage of her; how mortifying, to know why.
eventually, )
Elves killed my mother. And Hardie was named for a man who was, besides the best of men, a mercenary.
( her perspective on thranduil's idea of kinslaying is far more thedosian; far more aligned with iorveth than her husband, on that. )
A warrior's fought a war. ( her eyebrows rise in exaggerated scandal: ) Heaven forfend.
( then, because he took the cyclops gag well but this is a serious discussion, and she doesn't entirely mean to be flip- ) You're quite the bastard, Iorveth, I don't mean to imply there's nothing to that. It's just I'm rather at home with bastards.
( because she's a nightmare. to be fair. )
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the idea itself is appealing, tempting, the want to just sink into their warmth and greedily soak it up strong, though iorveth wouldn't be iorveth if he didn't overthink it to hell and back. what benefits there could be, what complications it would make, if one is worth the other. His focus is taken more by gwenaelle, though, and the facts she gives, what they imply. he'd thought of her as a particularly clever, brutally honest noble woman, but the murder and the mercenary are things that don't fit into that picture. he's learned much of both of them tonight. ]
I'm sorry, for your mother. There's no balm that soothes the loss of one. [ one he knows, as well as a parent murdered by a faceless group you know only hatred from, or for. she's come a long way, to find herself married to thranduil. he is, though, pretty exceptional an elf, to admit. there's things admirable, intriguing and attractive in both of them, and Iorveth finds the idea of leaving this room something loathsome. it's careful, hesitant, that he voices it. ]
If it's still your wish to try, [ And that's a big if, because Thranduil had some pointed qualifications that Iorveth may not fit, and it's him that he glances to. ] I'm willing.
[ foregoing dramatic proclamations and promises of being worth anything more than a warm body and convenient assassin. Iorveth's faith in his courting skills aren't great, and maybe never really cultivated to begin with, but he's sure he's made that point well enough by now. ]
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[ to gwenaelle: ] I am not a bastard.
[ the word is funny, coming from him, the same unaccustomed intonation as the one time he'd called her 'bitch', but it is his answer, more or less, and he already finds he dislikes iorveth wavering and discontented. ]
I would ask, [ thranduil says, much more serious than his previous protest, ] that you refrain from harming another elf but in self-defense here.
[ they are all of them rumpled and in need of, perhaps, a wash basin and a clean change of clothes at least, but iorveth has no clean clothes here. thranduil will offer him his own, once they are up, but for now- ]
Let me put your hair in order, Iorveth.
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then again, he might not. which would be more interesting. she acknowledges his condolences with a tilt of her head—dalish elves killed her elven mother, but it was celene's men who did for her sisters, she's no shortage of resentments to go around—and the picture she paints the more one knows her is one of someone who had learned not to be looked at too closely, that she might live a more complicated life. the simple picture had protected her, until it didn't. )
What happened to that Dalish clan was self-defense, you know, ( is all she says, mild. )
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He listens to him, then to Gwenaelle, and the question of what Dalish clan comes through his head. It's apparently a touchy subject, so he leaves it for now, puts a mental note to investigate on it later. Instead, he turns his mind back to Thranduil's request. Iorveth doesn't like to swear to things often, because you can never truly tell what will happen in the future, what people will do, whether they're elves or humans or anything else. It's with no small matter of consideration and pause that he does finally nod his assent, eye meeting Thranduil's. This is Thedas, not the Continent. ]
I can agree to that. [ and yet, there's no telling if this place will become like the Continent. He's a bit lost in thought of that still when he recalls Thranduil had spoken about putting his hair into order. Which, would require him taking his headscarf off, which was tied tightly enough, plus the strap of leather belting that holds it in place, to stay mostly in place throughout the night.
Typically, removing the scarf means very little to him, as he walks around in with his eye uncovered about half the time, especially in peaceful places, his hand already moving to the buckle at the side of his head, when it sinks in where he is, and what they'd just discussed. courting, lovers, romance. a certain quite shame is around it, the loss of something so culturally key to his people, but that's nothing iorveth would admit to, claiming pride in the horrific kind of wound inflicted in a place most try not to stare at when conversing with him, likes that it's off-putting and disgusting. like it says - he can survive this, what can you really else do you really think you can do to him? but it is that - disgusting. not something you want to brandish in front of a potential lover, especially not for the pity it might bring. ]
It's never in order, [ Iorveth chuckles, moving to scratch just underneath one edge of the fabric instead of continuing to the buckle holding the strap, a casual kind of movement. ] And the moment I walk outside, it'll be out of sight again, so likely wasting your time.
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